G&T: Fleming

 Family Fleming, Killentierna

Mike 'Dave Mike' Fleming, Originally from Curra-City and now resides in Bishopstown Co Cork, has completed some fantastic research into our Fleming Ancestry and has produced fantastic charts and documents recording events dating back to the BUTTER RUN and the 1700’s. Mike has done some excellent research into the Fleming Ancestry.

Son of John Fleming who married Mary Nolan Kilcow was David Fleming. David married Catherine O'Connor (Farran Currans ) in Circa 1858/59. David/Catherine had 11 surviving Children. Mary was the eldest girl B1860 while Mike was the eldest surviving boy B1863. John was B1859 but he died as an infant. David jnr was born in 1874 and Patsy in 1871. Mike got the homestead and David jnr became head of the family at Farrankeal in 1905 when his cousin Nicolas Crean died. David Fleming snr purchased land and the old Mill at Tobermaing in 1893 from Redmond Roche and when Mike married Hanora Scott, David snr moved to Toberming Castleisland (Pre 1901) with most of the other sibling Fleming Family (Ellen, Julia, Patsy, Jim, Anne and Maurice). David snr died there at Tobermaing on 17/June/1906. He was recorded as aged 82. His wife Catherine died on 03/08/1899 age 67 recorded on the death cert. Their son David Jnr married (1) Hanora Leen/Lane (Tullagubbeen, Castleisland) in 1909. Hanora died in 1922 and David remarried (2) Julia Costello from Kilsarcon in 1923. They lived and reared the family at Farrankeal. Hanora rests at Kilbannivane Cemetery Castleisland with her family while David and Julia were buried in Kilcummin Old Cemetery Killarney in the Fleming Plot there.

Griffith's Valuation Records Family Fleming, Killentierna 1853 (Primary Valuations) 

''The primary valuation of Ireland or Griffith's Valuation were carried out between 1848 and 1864 to determine liability to pay the Poor rate (for the support of the poor and destitute within each Poor Law Union) - and provide detailed information on where people lived in mid-nineteenth century Ireland and the property they possessed'' (NLI Extract)

In the original Primary Griffiths Valuations Records 1853 the Fleming name is not recorded as residing or renting land at Curracity by then. A Martin Fleming is recorded as renting land at Farrankeal. In 1853 Edmond Fleming rents land at Curraross as does John Fleming who is captured as renting land there also along with Michael Fleming likewise. Flemings rent land also at Ballybeg and Killeentierna townland by 1853. Our cousin Timothy Clifford who lives in Kildare is our expert on aspects of our Curraross Fleming Ancestry and we will be adding more material about the Curraross Fleming Ancestry soon thanks to Tim.
In the years following 1853, changes to the land ownership details which were captured in the original Griffiths Records 1853 were also recorded in documents known as The REVISED GRIFFITHS RECORDS.
We attach links to those Revision Documents below. There is much more valuable ancestral information and clues in those documents and we are researching those presently.

At Curracity - County Cess (TAX or Rent) was paid by Gneeve (1 Gneeve - 10 Acres) and was generally £4 10s to £5 half yearly.
At Farrankeal - County Cess (TAX or Rent) was paid by Gneeve (1 Gneeve - 10 Acres) and was generally £6 to £6 12s 6d half yearly. (Considered exorbitant) ( FK estimated as 6 Gneeves)

1853 Griffith's Valuation Primary Book Records regarding Flemings Killentierna in 1853.

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Additional Griffith's Valuation MAPS Records regarding Farrankeal and ‘The Curras’ (City,Ross, Banefield, Knockarse, Knockaun) in 1853.

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Griffith's Valuation Name Book Extracts. GV Name Book Extract Regarding Place Names at Curra-Citty and the Farrankeal Environs.

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Griffith's Valuation Name Book Extracts.  GV Name Book Extract regarding general locality.
(Currow, Castleisland, Scartaglin, Kilsarcan Etc.)

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Griffith's Valuation Books - GV Database Explanation Guide

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Griffith's Valuation Revision Books & Family Fleming, Killentierna from 1859-1977

In Relation to the townlands Curraross, Currabanefield (Barnfield), Curracnocaun, Curracity and Farrankeal - for the years 1859-1977 -  we have recently sourced the Griffith's Valuation Revision Records from the Valuations Office in Dublin thanks to Stephen Nolan who works there. Those documents are very informative and make for exciting reading.
We attach a link to those documents below - in PDF format - for you to explore with relevant maps for that period - in addition to the original 1853 Griffith's Maps for cross-reference which can be sourced below also. In the Revision Records, look across to the 'Observation' column for the associated details and the year of reference for that particular line event.
NOTE: As time progressed from 1853, when a tenant/landlord changed and an old valuations record was changed/updated, a line was simply drawn through the old entry and the new record entry was written in above the old posting. Similar Ink colour and pen type & print is important to distinguish and help in linking related events. We will be adding to the narrative in this section as soon as we better decipher and understand those Revision documents. While the Flemings were not renting land at Curracity by 1853 - on initial inspection, one observation from the Revision Records is that Flemings moved to Curracity by 1859. John Fleming rents land there and also in Currabanefield and Curraross. John's son David who married Catherine O'Connor circa 1858 is recorded renting at Curracity soon afterwards. John's other children (Patrick, John, Michael) feature in renting land around Curraross in 1874. In addition to the Fleming name, all the great and local familiar family names associated with those townlands are visible there also. The revision documents allow us to  attach a timeframe to when our Fleming Ancestors moved 'west' from Curraross to inhabit land at Currabanefield, Curracity, Curracnocaun, Farrankeal and north to Tobermaing in Castleisland.

1853 GV original PRIMARY Griffith's Valuation Book Records regarding Flemings Killeentierna in 1853 including Maps

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Griffith's Valuation Revision Book MAPs relating to Fleming at Curraross, Currabanefield, Curracity, Curracnocaun, Farrankeal in Killeentierna and Tobermaing in Castleisland.

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Griffith's Valuation Revision Records 1859-1977 relating to Flemings at Curraross, Currabanefield, Curracity, Curracnocaun and Farrankeal. Full List - Large Document  - Separate and divisional documents below for Curracity, Curraross, Farrankeal, Tobermaing, Cnockaun and Currabanefield (Barnfield).

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Griffith's Valuation Revision Records 1859-1967 relating to Flemings at Curracity.

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Griffith's Valuation Revision Records 1859-1967 relating to Flemings at Curraross.

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Griffith's Valuation Revision Records 1859-1967 relating to Flemings at Farrankeal.

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Griffith's Valuation Revision Records 1859-1967 relating to Flemings at Tobermaing Castleisland.
Tobermaing was purchased in 1895.

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Griffith's Valuation Revision Records 1859-1967 relating to Flemings at Currabanefield (Barnfield).

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